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At 03:20 AM 10/18/2003, Noe Lopez Reynaga <nreynaga@stanford.edu> wrote:
Subject: u might as well stop

To Hal Netkin:

You might as well stop, there are a lot of people like you trying to associate Mexican groups with racism, terrorism, ect., basically trying to make us into the bad guys.  It is not surprizing to me because people like you have always done this throughout wars and other times of hostility, and been successful.

However, this time its different.  You need to realize that there are too many of us for you too handle, and the ones who are involved in The Struggle are going to do things the right way, through education of our own people by letting people know facts of whats going on now and about our past; so they won't believe lies.  True there are those of us who will just put a bullet in your head (gang banger types) but that not what your worried about.  Your worried about those who have access to higher education and who don't sell out. You can call us what you want.

The truth is that we are indeed justified in our beliefs.  You can despute that.  Its undisputable.  And you can't stop It so you might as well stop trying (but your not going to are you) hahahahahahaha

p.s. no matter how much you hate us, no matter how patiently you accuse us of your B.S. in a false "educated" way, you know in your heart that you are just a hater and worst of all a hypocrite.

"If you don't like america... get out" hahahahahahaha

On 10/18/03 Hal Netkin Responds to Raynaga

Dear Noe,

Your gang banger ways of name calling and making death threats displaces reason, logic, and fact. College has failed to teach you to articulate -- and MEChA has failed to teach you tolerance.

You are right that not all Mexican groups are associated with racism, but you prove with your childlike comments, that MEChA, the group to which you belong, certainly is associated with anger, hate, and racism.

You sure fooled Almanac into believing that you changed your gangster ways.

This message has been copied to Almanac's Managing Editor, Richard Hine and Staff Writer, David Boyce, so that they may better judge the character of those they praise and write about in thier publication. I am also circulating and posting your message on the www.BustamanteNo.com website as an example of those, Bustamante would have represented, had he won the race for governor.

I will not legitimize your message with any direct rebuttal, because it is already self explanatory as to who is really racist.

Hal Netkin

P.S. Noe, if you really want to show magnanimity and tolerance, I will accept and make public an apology from you.

NOTE to supporters. If you respond to Noe, please do not lower yourself to his level with any name calling of your own.
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At 03:20 AM 10/18/2003, Noe Lopez Reynaga wrote:
the ones who are involved in The Struggle are going to do things the right way, through education of our own people

Are you saying that "your own people" are FINALLY going to allow themselves to become educated? That's fantastic!!! For instance, are you saying that "they" are going to FINALLY teach their kids to stay in school, and to not jump into gangs? Are you saying that more of "your people" are finally going to learn to speak English so they can communicate using the official language of the United States? Are you saying that "your people" are FINALLY going to become educated enough to stop spray painting their own neighborhoods and everyone elses? Or are you saying that they are AT LEAST going to become educated enough to spray paint their crap in a language that educated people can read?

At 03:20 AM 10/18/2003, Noe Lopez Reynaga wrote:
True there are those of us who will just put a bullet in your head (gang banger types) but that not what your worried about.

No, the Americans are not going to worry about that, because America has defeated anyone and everyone who has attacked us. America has more weapons, more intelligence, and more determination than any other country in the world, so for your own sake do not make threats against any or all of us. If America can defeat: Britain Germany Japan Russia Iran Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria and a lot more, then what do you think would happen with a group of angry Mexicans in Van Nuys shouting about "the Struggle"? Netkin has a better chance in East L. A. than all the Latinos put together have against America.

At 03:20 AM 10/18/2003, Noe Lopez Reynaga wrote:
Your worried about those who have access to higher education and who don't sell out.

No, we're DISGUSTED with people who we GAVE an opportunity for a FREE first class education and they didn't give a shit to become educated. America paid for good schools and a free education for everyone, even the Mexican-Americans and even the ones who were not here legally. What did the Latino comunity do with that opportunity? They spray painted it until it looked like a garbage dump, they didn't teach their kids to value education, and they turned the inner city schools into a gang-infested war zone If we were afraid of educating the Latino community, we would not have offered it to you for free and paid for it ourselves. The Latino community has nobody to blame for poor education but themselves. Can you imagine if I went to Mexico illegally, and asked the government to build a school for me and my kids for FREE, and then did not go to school, did not teach my kids to take advantage of a free education, or if I spray painted the school and made it a war zone? Can you imagine? We offered Mexican immigrants a free education, endless opportunities, and all for FREE. they didn't care and they turned their neighborhoods into garbage dumps. Who sold out? The last generation of Mexican-Americans sold out this generation by not teaching them to accept the priceless gift of education and opportunity that AMERICA offered. That's who sold you out. Go put a bullet in their heads if you want to kill who sold you out.

At 03:20 AM 10/18/2003, Noe Lopez Reynaga wrote:
p.s. no matter how much you hate us, no matter how patiently you accuse us of your B.S. in a false "educated" way, you know in your heart that you  >are just a hater and worst of all a hypocrite.

Please tell me exactly when and where Netkin has shown hatred for anyone. If he hates Latinos, why did he marry a Latino woman? All I have ever seen from Netkin is him exposing other people who are haters. Or exposing the racism and anti-American agenda of racist groups. He exposed the group that was OPENLY trying to make the Western United States into a Mexican territory. He exposed the hatred of LATINO racist groups who sold out to the Devil and spread hatred against other religions or other skin colors. I have seen all this stuff that he has exposed, and he has ALWAYS been AGAINST hatred. What can you show me from Netkin that involves him hating anyone?

By the way, if you accuse Netkin of being a hater, then what do you think of the Latino groups that are spreading hatred against other religions or skin colors? Are you for or against racial hatred from anyone against anyone, YES or NO?

At 03:20 AM 10/18/2003, Noe Lopez Reynaga wrote:
"If you don't like america... get out" hahahahahahaha

If you don't like Mexico, then why are you trying to turn Los Angeles into Tijuana?

America WAS part of Mexico a long time ago. Look what "we" made America into in the last 250 years, and look what Mexico has turned itself into over the last 250 years. America under "our" leadership is the greatest country in the world, ALL of us have more fairness and more rights and more freedom than anywhere else on the planet. Mexico is run by drug lords, gangs, bribery, corruption, lack of education, lack of public services, and is still a third world country.

Can you understand now why "we" are not going to let the Latino community take over America? There is already one Mexico. There is enough room there for anyone who wants to live like that. If the Mexican lifestyle culture, rules, and laws are better, why does everyone in Mexico try to come here?

I am looking forward to your answers to the questions above.

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